Wednesday 28 September 2011

Greek Embassy performance

Appointments manager page on Embassy web site. Note the Passport booking option is NOT AVAILABLE.
Every 5 years for the past 25 years I renew my Greek passport at the embassy in Holland Park. The performance of the civil servants tasked with running the embassy provides an interesting and accurate insight into the workings of Greece's Government.
Last time, 5 years ago in 2006, performance reached an all time low.  Let me run you through the experience.
With passport photos and supporting documents at the ready - drive to Holland Park and park in the £4 per hour parking. Then stand in queue for three hours until you get to the counter. Civil servant then looks at your passport photos and says 'These are wrong. You need to have them done according to this document. Come back when you have done it.'
That is visit number 1 done. Cost in parking and petrol £25.

Visit number 2 - three days later with new passport pics.
Drive to Holland Park and park in the £4 per hour parking. Then stand in queue for three hours until you get to the counter. Civil servant then looks at your documents and says "The pistopitiko requirements have changed. You need to go back to your home village of registration and have them issue a new original document.'
My home village of registration is Adamas in Milos. Several thousand miles away.
That is visit number 2 done. Cost in parking and petrol £25.

Visit number 3 - ten days later with new pistopitiko acquired through the generous efforts of my Uncle in Athens.
Drive to Holland Park and park in the £4 per hour parking. Then stand in queue for three hours until you get to the counter. Civil servant then looks at your documents and says '.........

OK - let me speed this process up.....

Visit number 3 led to visit number 4. Visit number 4 led to visit number 5. Visit number 5 led to visit number 6. Visit number 6 led to visit number 7. Visit number 7 led to visit number 8.  By now two Months have passed.

Visit number 8 led to visit number 9. Visit number 9 led to visit number 10. At visit number 10 an old man in front of me, said 'This is my 5th visit here. Why are you doing this to me. I am 80 years old. You should be ashamed of yourselves.' I was quite hopeful then that this would be my last visit. I was so close to the new passport I could almost taste it. But no. Visit number 10 led to visit number 11. After visit number 11, I almost wished I would not conclude the process at visit number 12. I had by now become institutionalized by the process.

Four Months had passed and without my participation in this all consuming theatre of living surrealism, I felt any prospect of a return to normal life would leave me somehow diminished. Fortunately, visit 12 turned up another requirement, although the official did say to me 'I think we have everything now. So when we call you next, it will be to collect your passport.' 

And so, on to visit 13. Some 5 Months after visit one, I parked up in Holland Park and stood in the three hour queue for what I hoped would be the last time. While there I did the maths. Average of 25 pounds per visit in parking alone for 13 visits totals £325. Petrol from Hampton Court to Holland Park - say £10 per visit. Another £130. Average five hours of my time per visit for thirteen visits plus stressful worry time along the way is of course an immeasurable quantity. But all these thoughts paled in that moment when, after keeping me waiting in a chair outside an office for an hour and five minutes, I was called in to sign a document and take away my new passport.

When I got home I wrote an e mail to my uncle in Greece, the one who helped me with the paperwork and who lives in Athens, in which I said 'No Government represented by this level of inefficiency and gross incompetence can hope to survive the economic consequences of such horrific wastefulness. This is beaurocracy out of all control and out of all reason. The idea that this system can survive is ridiculous. It is only a matter of time until it all comes tumbling down."

Five years have passed and I am now back at the Greek Embassy position for passport renewal.
Things have changed - in many ways.
The passport renewal process is now 'by appointment only'. How thrilled was I to see this on the website? Very. Off I went to the form to make my appointment.  There is no other way of making an appointment than by the 'Appointment manager' software on the Embassy site. 'Click on the date you ant for the appointment it said. Off I went to the page. But wait. There is no option available. 'There must be some mistake' I thought to myself.
Sadly not. No mistake. The Greek Embassy in London - whose job it is to issue Greek Passports renewed in London has NO available option for providing this service.

I e-mailed the embassy with this astonishing news and the reply read '.... please visit our website www.greekembassy.org.uk  to arrange your appointment and to check the required documents. In case that you can not see on our website available appointments, this is because all the appointment until the end of  January are booked. However , there are many cancellations( when one happens , the option becomes bold  and below you can see the date and time slot,) , so we believe that soon you will be able  to find an availability.'
And so - every day I log on - fill out the form and check. Nothing to see here. 
Sigh.
I will report back with progress - but I fear, like Greece's prospects for sensible Governance, I may be gone for some time. 
 
.............

UPDATE: 27 November, 2011. No further news from the Greek embassy.

11 comments:

  1. It is now 7 days since I was advised to keep trying the 'appointment manager' for a cancellation. I have tried 6 times a day. That's 42 efforts so far. Nothing to report. No appointments possible.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Hi Andrew,

    I have also been a regular sufferer from the embassy's inefficiencies when I have been renewing my passport.

    I have to add that in 2007, (which is the last time I renewed my passport) I had to fill in a form by hand using a pen. Then I was led off to another desk, where I waited while a clerk was creating a verbatim copy of my form, also handwritten in pen. When I asked why is that necessary, I was told: "We hand copy all forms for consistency. It is necessary so that we eliminate the writing style differences of each individual. This makes it easier for the person who will actually do the computer data entry at a different office."

    Yes, there was also a merchant who was being led off, kicking and screaming, after having visited 3 times unsuccessfully and still failing to renew his expired passport. He was shouting warnings to the officials, something about Greece going to go bankrupt soon with this way of doing business, but I don't think anyone was listening to that fool. Surely he must have been mad. That was 5 years ago.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Currently all passport appointments are fully booked to the end of May 2012. I was told that even if I manage to get an appointment in June or July 2012, and even if it is all successful, it will be a minimum of 6 weeks before I will be issued a passport.

    Vassilis.

    ReplyDelete
  4. It took me 4 months of trying (oct - Jan) before I managed to get a passport appointment in May. They asked for some paper work to be sent in advanced which I did. Thankfully I placed a reminder in my cal'r for mid Feb to check up on them. i sent them this reminder and they said that the forms were not received, and to send them over again (which I did by orwarding the original email).

    End result, they are now telling me one of the required forms is out of date and to make a different appointment to get that updated. Appointments to get this form updated are not available until June/ July.

    I asked someone at work and they told me they just gave up and went to greece to get it done. It took less then a week. Might just go for that option.

    ReplyDelete
  5. I tried the Greece option as well. I set my dates and was on the verge of booking the flight to Athens when I saw a notice of a strike in the period I was able to travel. Finally, with a sense of considerable sorrow, I had to give up on my dream of keeping my Greek passport, and in little over two Months after applying for British Naturalisation, I received my UK passport. It is easier to apply for and receive a new British passport than it is to renew an existing Greek one.

    ReplyDelete
  6. I had all the same problems as everyone else.

    Even looked into naturalisation but refuse to spend the stupid money they want for that.

    My brother was advised by the consulate to go to Greece – I was just told to keep trying the site. After two months of that, I gave up and booked a long weekend to visit my parents in Greece and I will get my passport sorted for my dad to collect in a week's time for me.
    A relief off my shoulders...

    ReplyDelete
  7. Good luck Katherine. I tried the Greek visit option and the week I had planned to go they were on strike.
    The Home office here took about 2 Months to process my naturalization which cost around 2.2K. Money well spent I think. Greece is not where it is without very good reason, as we both know.

    ReplyDelete
  8. I will tell you something which until now nobody has suffered. My children appointment with the Greek embassy in Nicosia is 2 years from today. They gave me an appointment in December 2013. :)

    ReplyDelete
  9. Tomorrow is my first appointment. Wish me luck!

    ReplyDelete
  10. Thank you fellow sufferers for posting this. Andrew, I can taste every word and every emotion you describe because I have gone through this before and now with the new system...it is impossible to believe that our beaureucracy could have gotten any worse but it has! My appointment is in November 2012. I have been trying to get one since NOvember 2011. They tell me I can fly to Greece with an expired passport but they won't confirm this in English (on email) and they won't confirm if I can get out of Greece with an expired passport. My family in Greece first told me that it will take 1 day to issue a passport and now they say probably 2 weeks! I am now thinking of naturalisation again. Terrible!

    ReplyDelete
  11. Like everyone else I faced the same issue in booking an appointment with the embassy. I spent many times checking the website for an appointment, even woke up in the middle of the night...

    But then I decided to write some software that would do the job and it worked. No more wasting time checking for an appointment. Of course, all appointments are most of the time a few months away.

    Good luck everyone with the greek appointment scheduler.

    ReplyDelete

Please leave your comment here.